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August 17, 2012 is Etz Chaim/Ohr Saadya's next court date VS the Teaneck BOA. What do you think will occur on August 17th? What will Etz Chaim/Ohr Saadya do?
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26 comments:
You have to give them credit. It was very smart to do it during the holiday season when no one was paying attention.
"It's quite a relief," said Robert Ehrlich, the president of the group. "From our perspective, this was never a fight worth fighting. We want to move on. To the extent that the neighbors have comments on things we can do to make their lives less disruptive, we're willing to do that."
Bergen Record Sunday, October 17, 2010
"We are hoping to have a more peaceful future," Feldman said Friday.
Bergen Record Sunday, October 17, 2010
“The board, based upon testimony, came to the correct legal decision,” said Ed Trawinski, the lawyer who represented Etz Chaim through the proceedings. “And the board balanced the exercise of freedom of religion with the effort to minimize the impact on a residential neighborhood.”
"Under the board’s stipulations, all of which Etz Chaim had agreed to in prior testimony, Etz Chaim is limited to holding only Shabbat and holiday services; no tents or other structures, except a sukkah, may be set up in the yard; no signs may be put up without municipal approval; a six-foot high fence and holly trees must separate Etz Chaim’s property from the western neighbor; no shul catering or cooking may be done in the kitchen; strollers must be kept in a specific area and limited to no more than six, lest they be folded up elsewhere; and a community liaison would be named."
Jewish Standard 20 August 2010
How's that honesty, consistency reality based thingy working out for you?
Now I understand the post with all the judges. Hilarious. And really pathetic of the etz chaim thugs. They ask for one thing, get what they asked for and then get pissed off at the town for giving them exactly what they asked for by suing the board of adjustments. Pathetic.
I can't believe that Rabbi Feldman condones this lawsuit. There must be some mistake.
YU Musmach: I have spoken to three Roshei Yeshiva at YU. All are in agreement that the lawsuit is damaging to Orthodox Jews and other Shuls in Teaneck. They would not tell me whether they had conveyed this sentiment to Rabbi Feldman or if Rabbi Feldman had come to them to discuss the ramifications or permissibility of such a lawsuit.
Just like this was only supposed to be a private prayer group meeting in a family room which needs to have tents,signs,classes at anytime and the ability to cook.
Anyone still believe this wasn't their intent from the start to build a synagogue? All that nonsense that it was only a family room on the permit still believable?
Remember Daniel Feldman condoned it all. Good thing for him he never had to testify under oath.
How did you get a copy of the pleadings, unless you went to the Bergen County Courthouse and copied it? At this stage, does it really matter what they do, let them challenge the restrcitions. I also do not think the Judges that you have listed in your next post will be hearing the case. They are not chancery Judges and not in the Bergen Viciange. So again how did you get a copyt of the pleadings?
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Rabbiesq
Where were the Roshei Yeshiva when the initial "Family room" travesty was perpetuated?
Anon 1:53 - Complaints are public record.
I understand that but how did you find out about it, most people I know were unaware of it. So let them challenge it, the pres was quoted in the paper as saying he would accept whatever restrictions the town imposed did he not. this may be part two of the story, a sequel if you will
Most didn't know, but some did. Consider me party of the "some".
You mean the president of the congregation Robert Erlich who testified under oath he could park 4 cars in his driveway and not move his own cars into the street? The one who finally said he would park the cars on his lawn?
Yes his quotation can be depended upon.
He said that? On record?
Anon 10:21. Rabbi Feldman is careful to consult with the Roshei Yeshiva. It is likely that there was a misunderstanding between Rabbi Feldman and the Roshei Yeshiva he consulted. Any implications of misrepresentations are a mistake. Rabbi Feldman would not engage in any questionable situations.
Under oath.
“It’s quite a relief,” said Robert Ehrlich, the president of the group. “From our perspective, this was never a fight worth fighting. We want to move on." Great way to "move on"!! Unless by "move on" you mean to say "to sue the Board of Adjustment?"
My favorite Feldman quote: "We are hoping to have a more peaceful future," Feldman said Friday." With this litigious group the only peace they seem to get is from suing someone. In this case they aren't just suing the Board of Adjustment they are suing the whole town.
What's your problem MacDouche? Why can't you just leave Etz Chaim alone? Their services aren't bothering anyone, property values are going to go up because of them. Why can't you just let them go about doing their thing quietly? You are the one who's making a big deal out of their existence.
sorry not clear Robert Erlich made those statement under oath.
Raabiesq 11:19
So when the President Robert Erlich testified about the parking spots that were being made available including driveways that had not been built yet (266 Johnson) and rented out homes (576 Queen Ann) in addition to the mythical 4 spots in his own driveway this was without Daniel Feldman's consent? They didn't discuss this with him? Remember this is against a background of a claim of being honest and open in all dealings with the town.
Or is it just plausable deniability?
Anon 10:28 am - You are on very thin ice here. Questioning Da'as Torah is very serious.
Can any Rabbi be held accountable for what one of his congregants says? It is an unrealistic expectation.
Rabbiesq 2:11
Not exactly what a congregant said. This was a plan put together by his congregation and testified to at a Board of Adjustment meeting. Of course he is not responsible for what a congregant said but this was not a casual statement ,this was a legal matter testified to under oath in which the Rabbi had a huge stake as to whether his home and congregation got a variance.
Do you mean to tell me that Daniel Feldman had no knowledge of what his congregants planned for his congregation? The leader of the flock left it up to the flock to decide? The flock made the decision without consulting its adviser? Either way there is a major problem here.
Rabbiesq 2:11 pm cannot be serious??? This wasn't just any congregant saying what he feels. It wasn't just one of the new people who come to etz chaim and don't know anything about its history and randomly gives his opinions. This was the president of the organization, the CEO who hired the Rabbi and sets policy for the organization in consultation with the Rabbi. This is the guy who probably doesn't do anything relating to their shul without first speaking to the rabbi. HE is the guy who said these things. Does rabbiesq seriously think that Rabbi Feldman had no knowledge of what his president was going to say? Give us all a break.
Rabbi esq 2: 1 1
So when you inform everyone that you went to 3 roshe yeshivah who all told you it was a bad thing and announce it to all that's ok, but anyone else raising questions is on thin ice?
Time for some soul searching.
If it is published in the Record, now the some becomes everyone, it is unfortunate but now the public can see how it plays out. This case could be more riviting than the Super Bowl, unless of course the Jets beat the Pats and Rex baby brings then to dallas on February 6, 2011, then hopefully most people will have little interest in this topic.
Anonymous 10:57 am. "This topic" has a greater impact on our lives and the lives of Teaneck's residents than the superbowl. I am into the superbowl as much as the next guy but civic minded people can't help but to be disturbed by what Etz Chaim and Rabbi Feldman are doing to us all.
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